Uh we are talking very much uh still
about immigration. Um and specifically I
suppose about who you do business with
and who you pay when you are talking as
reform UK are about sending migrants
back to countries like Afghanistan or
perhaps Sudan or um Iran.
The reform UK have been questioned about
this and it does appear that there may
be some softening of the stance when it
comes to women and children. Uh we know
that the majority of small boats
arrivals are uh men. It's about it's
over 70% but within those arrivals there
are some very vulnerable women and
children, women and girls. And really
how comfortable are we if we sit back
and think about it? How comfortable are
we with sending women and girls back
into the arms of the Taliban, for
example, the very people that they are
running from with very good reason. Uh
you will know what kind of lives women
and girls have in Afghanistan under the
Taliban. Uh women can't work. Um their
their voices are not allowed to be held
heard in public. Girls are not allowed
to go to school after 12 years. uh after
they're 12 years old. And not only did
the idea seem to be that those women and
girls would be sent back to the Taliban
that Reform UK might actually, if they
were the government, pay the Taliban for
the pleasure of returning these people
to them. Now, there does seem to be a
bit of rolling back on that and we'll
try to bring you up to date on that. But
how comfortable would you be with the
principle of sending vulnerable people,
women and girls I'm talking about here,
back into somewhere like Afghanistan
where the government, which is not
recognized legitimately by the UK
government, but where the government
where the Taliban actively
mistreats women. That seems to be like a
step too far. But I'd love to know what
you think about this. 03456060973.
Now speaking to Nick Ferrari at
breakfast today, Richard Ty from Reform
UK was asked about Nigel Farage's speech
yesterday, stating that they would pay
money to countries like Sudan and
Afghanistan.
>> How comfortable would you be with a
British government giving money to
countries such as Iran, Sudan, or to the
terrorists of the Taliban? Sometimes in
life you have to do business with people
that you may not like. If we want a
ceasefire in Gaza, you've got to do a
deal with Hamas. If you want a ceasefire
in Ukraine, you've got to do a deal with
Putin. These are not nice people. But
leadership is about taking difficult
decisions and I repeat the point. Uh we
the role of the British government is to
protect our sovereignty, our borders,
and to ensure the safety of our women
and girls. That's why people are so
angry about this and that's why we're
leading in the polls.
>> You're happy to send women back to Sudan
where rape is used as a tactic of war.
You'd become and regrettably some of
these uh illegal migrants who have come
to this country have raped British women
and British girls and the role of a
British government is to defend the
British people. Sometimes you have to do
business with people you may not like.
We cannot control despotic regimes
around the world. What we can do is
protect our own people and that's what a
Nigel Farage led government promises to
do.
>> Now earlier today at a Reform UK press
conference in Livingston, LBC Scotland
reporter Rebecca Brady put Richard Ty's
comments to Nigel Farage.
>> Thank you, Mr. Farage. You say
deportation would help keep women and
girls safe in the UK. Yet this morning,
despite you just saying that your
comments weren't about women in the next
5 years, Richard Ty told LBC and he
suggested female asylum seekers should
be deported to countries where their
safety can't be guaranteed, countries
like Sudan, where rape can be used as a
war tactic. Are you saying that his
comments were wrong?
>> It won't be happening in the first 5
years of a reform government.
>> But was he wrong?
>> That's just not our priority.
>> Does women's safety only apply to women
in the UK for you? uh our primary target
is to worry about women and girls on the
streets of this country less than what
the countries are alike that we're going
to deport these men to. It's all about
priorities and it's all about frankly uh
given the mess that we've had with this
over the last few years. It's all about
whose side are you on? Are you on the
side of British people and their safety?
firstly on the streets but secondly at a
national security level which I'm very
concerned about or are you on the side
of a series of completely outdated
treaties and courts of dubious
distinction
>> so that's not completely clear not to me
uh anyway uh because both Richard Ty and
Nigel Farage make a very uh popular
point that our priority uh is the safety
of women and girls in the United Kingdom
but then when asked whether where
Richard Ty was wrong in what he said
that oh regrettably you know we can't
control despotic regimes around the
country and regrettably yes some of
these women might have to be sent back
to Sudan or to Afghanistan he said well
you know that yes that might have to
happen Nigel Fran says well that won't
be happening in the first 5 years of a
reform government so I'm a bit confused
um maybe we will be able to shed a bit
more light on that or or maybe this is
very much a um uh an incipient policy I
it's not even a policy incipient plan
from reform uh UK but the principle
itself is is interesting and troubling
isn't it really do there have to be
exceptions to a rule that you don't
deport women and girls specifically to
countries where we know they are going
to be in danger or do you think it
should just be a blanket policy that it
doesn't matter whether they are women
and girls they should be treated in the
way as male migrants 034560973
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Let's speak to Nilafer Hayatt, a
journalist who came to the UK as a child
refugee from Afghanistan. Good afternoon
to you.
>> Good afternoon.
>> Um now your family are still in um
Afghanistan. Can you for people who
perhaps have forgotten or who don't
care,
what is life like currently for women
and girls under the Taliban in
Afghanistan?
>> It can only be described as destitute, a
deplorable state of being. Women are not
only are they not equal right human
beings under Taliban rule, but they are
subhuman in the way that they are
treated. As you mentioned, women cannot
speak out loud. So what I'm doing right
now is illegal in Afghanistan.
There's all sorts of weird and frankly
inhuman things that are going on,
including women being told that they
should only be able to see through one
eye because why would you need two eyes
if you're only staring at the pavement?
women haven't been able to work. My
family members in Afghanistan lost their
jobs the moment the Taliban came into
power. And let's not let's not forget
that the general policy by the Western
world has been to freeze all assets and
aid going into Afghanistan. So what is
this country that we are sending these
women and men back to? Well, it's a
country where they can't make money,
where there is no health or social care
service. We're talking about a group of
men, the Taliban, who have created
almost inhospitable conditions for
Afghan women, not to mention
gynecological care or schooling. This is
probably one of the worst places to be a
woman on earth. It's why I left
>> um in 1994 because of the first group of
the Taliban. So, it's it's it's
devastating to hear this.
>> How old were you in 1994?
>> I was seven. So, I was old enough to
know that something was wrong where I'm
from. Uh, it's only now as a journalist
and as a documentary filmmaker that I've
been able to report on the conditions in
Afghanistan. And
it breaks my heart to see essentially
we're telling the general public that
people who we described as terrorists
from 2002 up until today, people who we
do not trade with, who we do not send
aid with, are the people that we are
willing to deport the most vulnerable
people, refugees in the world. And just
some of the rhetoric coming out of the
Tory party and Mr. Farish spotty seems
to be
akin to saying well actually now we're
okay with working with terrorists so
long as we can give them the dirty one
you know so long as we can give them the
the stuff that we don't want to deal
with.
>> Do you as a journalist you will
understand the um debate that has gone
on uh over the last 5 years or so
perhaps longer. Um there seems to be in
some quarters a lack of um uh empathy,
patience, whatever it is with perceived
levels of um male migrants coming over,
economic male migrants, and that seems
to bother people. I don't know, and
we're going to find out how the
listeners feel about women and girls,
the kind of women and girls fleeing the
kind of circumstances that you have
outlined. Um what about the idea of
exempting uh women and girls who have
fled from countries like Sudan or or
Afghanistan? Um exempting them from, you
know, mass deportations if that should
come to pass.
>> It's definitely something that should be
taken into consideration. Look, what's
going on in Sudan, North and South right
now is extremely problematic. We're
talking about rape being used as a
weapon of war. um we're talking about a
civil war that has cost many many people
their lives. To answer the first part of
your question about um working age males
or you know the the term dour seems to
be this idea of you know um fighting age
men
>> it's the language the discourse I mean
I'm a refugee from Afghanistan and my
parents came here my mom came here
because she knew that there was no life
for me in Afghanistan and she made the
exact right call.
I I want to know, you know, what's wrong
with me? Why am I bad for this country?
What have I done to deserve being sent
back to the hands of the people that
want to cut out one of my eyes and force
me to wear a broker? I think this is a
real moment of realization for Britain.
If we remove the idea of the Taliban,
who are we as a nation? What are we
willing to do in order to get our
borders under control? Those are some of
the bigger questions that I think the
Tory party and certainly we've heard
nothing from Labour as yet. That's what
I would want to hear. I would want to
know where is the line for us and and at
what point does Britain become the thing
that she is fighting, right?